Interview with
Remembering
The 20th Century: An Oral History of Monmouth County
Date of Interview: July 27, 1999
Name of Interviewer: Flora Higgins
Premises of Interview: Ocean Grove
Birth date(s) of subject(s): Richard Wenner: August 3,
Benjamin Schultz: March 9, 1911
Ms. Higgins: Mr. Schultz,
you've had a lifetime involvement in pharmacy, and one of the highlights of
that lifetime, is your efforts at poison control. Would you tell us a little
bit about that effort?
Mr. Schultz: It started
in 1952 outside the New York City Health Department. It came to the awareness
of the pharmaceutical profession that children would die in great numbers. It
was a sickness that started right after World War II. It was due to the
sweetening of aspirin tablets, baby aspirin. St. Joseph's put it
out. More children died from baby aspirin than diphtheria, scarlet
fever, measles, whooping cough, and polio combined. I worked with Dr.
Morton Rodman, who was the Professor of Pharmacology at Rutgers University,
and we developed a chart in category form of the toxic ingredients in
household chemicals, such as furniture polish, cleaning fluids, Clorox -- all
the things that people use for household things. And in those days, the toxic
ingredients didn't have to be put on the label, so where did you get
information? So, this is the project of Dr. Rodman and myself. We put it in
categories. We could identify about 100,000 chemicals around the home.
Believe it or not, but each one has a different brand name. I remember a baby
who swallowed Parker's Fountain Pen Ink. They called up the emergency
room. We extended these Poison Control Centers to the Jersey Shore
Medical Center. At that time, it was called Fitkin Hospital.
Also, we extended them to Monmouth Memorial Hospital, Monmouth Medical
Center, and there was another hospital, Riverview Hospital, what they call
Riverview Medical Center today. We sent an old index card file with all
the different items to the emergency rooms, because there were not computers
in those days. And if it wasn't on the index file, I would get calls in the
middle of the night and the morning. I remember eating supper at home, and
Robin or my other daughter, Leona, would say, "Daddy they want you in
the hospital." I knew what it was. They wanted to know what the toxic
ingredient in certain chemicals involved. Well, I had my master list. I
would tell them sometimes you could pump the stomach or you could give an
enema. With some substances you couldn't give an enema, because the
fumes, like the petroleum products, all those fumes, that included the
cleaning fluids, would get into the lungs, and they would cause low bile
pneumonia and, of course, the patients would pass away, not from the toxic
substances but from the fumes. So, we had to teach them how to use things
with the tube and wash out the stomach and all that other stuff, that goes
with it.
Ms. Higgins: Did you get
any help from the county government?
Mr. Schultz: No. It
wasn't around in those days. We did it all independently and it emanated from
us. At that time, we had the blessings from the Monmouth County Medical
Society and the Monmouth County Society of Pharmacists. I was the key
coordinator and I had the burden, but it was a labor of love. I'll tell you
one little incident. It happened with little Joey who was two years old in
Long Branch, NJ. His mother was pregnant again, and she was taking
prenatal capsules once a day as ordered by the doctor. And all of a sudden,
she looked at the bottle, and it was half-empty. Little Joey had
swallowed a lot of prenatal capsules, which contain iron. Iron is very toxic
to a young child. We didn't have an antidote for iron, once it was in the
blood. We didn't have the chelating agent. There was a Dr. Press from Belmar,
NJ, a pediatrician who went to the University of Chicago Medical School, and
he had developed a formula, which given intravenously, drip by drip, would be
an adjoining agent and take out all the excess iron from the blood. I called
Dr. Press. I said, "Give us the formula fast. I have a child who is in a
coma!" We did it, and six days later the hospital called me and
said, "Little Joey is out of the coma," and I still get a thrill
down my back when I hear it -- "Little Joey is out of the
coma!" Little Joey now is about fifty-five years old, walking the
streets. But we in Monmouth County started poison control with the
three hospitals. There wasn't any other place in the United States. All
the fifty states have poison control now. Now we have a center open
24-hours a day at Saint Barnabus Hospital in Newark for the entire state.
Most drug stores today have that 800 poison control number, and it is opened
24- hours a day with a pharmacist and a physician in charge.
Ms. Higgins: Do they get
a lot of calls with people who were unaware of what's going on regarding
medication or something related to that?
Mr. Schultz: Overdose and
drug regimen, yes, that also is included now.
Ms. Higgins: So it's
narcotics as well.
Mr. Schultz: Anything
that has to do with the cause of death of any human being.
Ms. Higgins: Who takes
these calls?
Mr. Schultz: There is
either a pharmacist who answers the phone, or a physician. Sometimes
they have to have a combination. Of course, they also have to tell the
hospital how to treat the patient, whether they give an emetic or drain the
stomach out, you know, a stomach tube and all this other stuff of washing the
stomach out. And, of course, some medications are depressants, and the
patient must have a stimulant to keep him or her alive. That is the
whole process with the poison control. And now it is in all fifty states. In
Arizona, we have trouble with poisonous snakes. We don't have any in New
Jersey (laughs...)
Ms. Higgins: So you can
make calls about poisonous snake bites?
Mr. Schultz: Anything
that would cause the death of an individual.
Ms. Higgins: When you go
to school to be a pharmacist, do you learn all this?
Mr. Schultz: We take a
course called toxicology. I graduated from the College of Pharmacy in
1931, and that was sixty-eight years ago. We took two years of
toxicology, because most of the drugs and medications were poisonous. You're
talking about arsenic, elixir quinine and strychnine. Strychnine is
poisonous. And a lot of the herbal remedies that are used today were all the
official drugs. There were very few chemicals in the pharmacopoeia in those
days. Today, they use them as alternative medicine.
Ms. Higgins: What is your
opinion of St. John's Wort, for example?
Mr. Schultz: What do I
think? How do they market it? I'll tell you how. They say because it is
a nutritious substance, it is not under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug
Administration. So, you take the medicine, mix it with prescription
medicine and you could die. One hundred thousand people have died from drug
related accidents. Another way to say it is experimentation. Also with
some prescription drugs there was a lot of drug interaction.
Ms. Higgins: Of course,
there are even some foods that cause harmful drug interaction.
Mr. Schultz: Yes.
Ms. Higgins: Are you a
pharmacist, Mr. Wenner?
Mr. Schultz: No, he was
in drug rehabilitation. This also was developed in Monmouth County before it
went nationwide.
Ms. Higgins: Has Monmouth
County over the past century been aggressive with narcotics rehabilitation?
How did you get that established?
Mr. Schultz: I had my
first discourse with Joe Irwin in 1966 or 1969. The Monmouth Board
established an interim drug committee, and I was on that committee, to advise
the Board on the promotion, development, establishment and coordination of
unified programs for the prevention, diagnosis, treatment, rehabilitation,
and control of drug addiction.
Ms. Higgins: How did you
know there were drugs in the county? Mr. Irwin once said there was no
problem. He was from Middletown wasn't he?
Mr. Schultz: He changed
his mind. I think he also had a boat business or something.
Ms. Higgins: I remember
Mr. McCarthy was the chief of the Middletown Police. And he also affirmed
there were no drugs in Middletown.
Mr. Schultz: I
taught thirty police departments in Monmouth County, and we had them
combined. I gave them lectures on the controlled drugs. The federal
laws came out about controlled drugs that were addicting and all this other
stuff. I had to teach thirty-five police departments. I taught the
police. They didn't know about drug raids. This was new to them.
Ms. Higgins: You mean
information about controlled substances like marijuana and cocaine.
Mr. Schultz: You got that
right. Cocaine is legal. It is still legal, unlike illegal marijuana or
heroin. The Federal Narcotic Act came into effect in 1910. It had the
narcotic laws. Then later on, Hubert Humphrey, who, by the way, was a
pharmacist besides being Vice President and a senator from Minnesota, and
Durham, who was a congressman from North Carolina, created the
Humphrey-Durham act, which clarified two classes of drugs in the United
States. One for which you had to get a prescription and the other that you
can buy over-the-counter with the proper labeling. Until then, there was no
control over the drug traffic, I mean the patented medicine market. Lydia
Pinkham Tonic is an example.
Ms. Higgins: I remember
buying Elixir of Terpinhydrate and codeine right over-the-counter.
Mr. Schultz: That was
official to sign for it always. Before it became Elixir Terpinhydrate and
Codeine, it was Elixir Terpinhydrate and Heroin.
Ms. Higgins: Really?
Mr. Schultz: That's
right. And in those days, they found out that heroin was more addicting than
any of those narcotics. It is part of the opium group, you understand?
So, codeine you could control and you had to sign for Elixir Terpinhydrate
and codeine. And pharmacists could not sell more than a bottle of those types
of cough medicines to any one person within a certain time frame. Then,
later on, we got drugs that weren't addicting, like dexamorphon, as they
called it then, that eliminated some of the problems. But we had addicts that
used to go from one drug store to the other buying Elixir of Terpinhydrate
and Codeine.
Ms. Higgins: How about
the phase of cleaning fluid highs in the 1950s?
Mr. Schultz:
Kids used to get high on the vapors, the solvent of the cleaning things. And
if it's in a closed area, you can asphyxiate yourself. They used to put a
hood over their heads and they thought they'd get the euphoric effect they
wanted. They got it all right. Some were lucky and some were not. Then they
used to put a big plastic bag over their head. We tried to educate the
public, and this effort stemmed from me and the Monmouth County
Pharmaceutical Society working with the Monmouth County Board that later on
became known as the Monmouth County Board of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Services.
Mr. Wenner: The Monmouth
County Board that established the Interim Drug Committee on October 18, 1966.
So that is the official original date that you can document the beginning of
a public effort in the county, outside the pharmaceutical association, which
was known as the MOPS, the Monmouth Ocean Pharmaceutical Society.
Mr. Schultz: That's
right. It was a bi-county organization.
Mr. Wenner: Two counties
combined. They were the leaders at that time in the education about
controlled drugs and drug abuse.
Ms. Higgins: The
pharmacists. They were seeing the results of drug abuse.
Mr. Wenner: Exactly, in
their drug stores. They got to know first hand working with the police
because the police and pharmacists worked together. They got to see the
problem spreading, so they really could take credit, along with narcotics
officers, for giving this the attention it deserved. Then after four years of
working with the police department, as Mr. Schultz said, other pharmacists
and professionals, through the Monmouth Ocean Pharmaceutical Society and the
Police Departments that wanted to cooperate, on September 1, 1970, the Board
of Chosen Freeholders appointed a permanent committee of residents to further
the work of narcotics control and treatment to be known as the Monmouth
County Narcotics Council. Now for the record, I am just going through the
types of people who were important. The members appointed were: George
Bartell, who was a Monmouth Medical Center Hospital Official; Eleanor Luhrs,
who was a citizen, but she happened to be a nurse; Edwin P. Gage, who was a
real estate executive; Earl B. Garrison, who was the County Superintendent of
Schools and a former high school principal; Benjamin Schultz, a pharmacist;
Thomas Totural, a school principal at the high school level; William P.
Gannon, a business man; Dr. Rose C. Thomas, a professor; Robert N. Goger, a
drug abuse worker; Robert Ansell, Esq., an attorney from Asbury Park; Robert
S. Newman, a probation officer; Dr. Sandra Wolman, another professor in the
human sciences; Robert Benham, an executive; Norma Kline, a Brookdale College
administrator; Dr. Sid Leventhal, a psychiatrist; Frank Espolota from law
enforcement. Benjamin Schultz was elected by this group as the first
chairman of the Narcotics Council in 1970. I want to say this group
comprised a wide range of citizens from various fields, which I think is the
reason for the success they had. It included a lot of people with a lot
of good minds.
Ms. Higgins: Was it one
of the first times that a private sector had worked with the political body?
Mr. Schultz: Yes, in that
field.
Mr. Wenner: Yes. There is
a history of that. The history would be the nursing field, where Geraldine
Thompson started, on her own, a private nursing organization. Later,
they had to go public for the funding, because they didn't have enough
nurses.
Mr. Schultz: This was the
first organized attempt between the citizens of the county and the officials
of the county. They created a structured attempt among physicians,
pharmacists, nurses and schools to provide education, both for prevention and
treatment and all the other things. Funding could be channeled and be
responsible, because the Board itself monitored all the grant money given
them: Federal money, state money, and the county money all went to the
Monmouth County Board of Drug Abuse Service.
Ms. Higgins: Would you
say that proportionately there is less drug use in 1999 in Monmouth County
than in 1970, or was there less in 1970?
Mr. Schultz: Well, I
can't answer that because I have been out of the statistical field, but I
will say this, we forgot one little aspect, the social drugs that were never
on the list. For instance cigarettes. Tobacco supporters are still
talking from -- what do the Indians say? "Talking with forked
tongue, from both sides of the mouth." But you have to look at the
other side of the coin. We need money for social programs. Stop kidding
ourselves. The cigarette industry is a lot of money. Prohibition was
repealed back in the Roosevelt days. We regulated the alcohol industry. You
don't hear too much about it, and they still talk about their limitations.
Alcohol is one of the biggest social drugs. That is another social drug we
are talking about. Nicotine and alcohol. What other things? How many cups of
coffee do you drink a day? There are drug interactions involved. These
are exempted because they tax the dickens out of it, and they needed extra
money to fund the social programs. So what do you do, you want to kill the
golden goose that feeds the different organizations? And then you've got to
walk a tight line.
Ms. Higgins: So now
alcohol is included in the Monmouth County Board of Drug Abuse Service?
Mr. Schultz: Oh yes.
Mr. Wenner: Yes, that
came later. Let's just go back. The members of the Board of Chosen
Freeholders at the time of the 1970 establishment were Joseph C. Irwin,
Director, and Axel Carlson. Harry Larrison, Jr., of Ocean Grove was a
member of the Board. Albert Allen of Aberdeen Township, and Ernest Kavalek of
Middletown completed the then five-member Board of Freeholders, who saw the
wisdom of appointing this group. The interesting thing that occurred was
that, due to the professional experience and other widespread experience that
they were willing to appoint to this counsel, within five months, this group
headed by Mr. Schultz convinced the board that they should hire a staff to
work on this. I want to say for the record, this was a record time. This was
a very conservative county at the time, with a very conservative group of
Freeholders. They didn't spend money freely. For them to come up with a
full-time paid individual within five months shows their faith in the group
that they appointed, and they were buying what the group was saying, that
there was a problem, and they met it very quickly. So we can't be critical.
We may be critical for the early stages of being closed to the situation, but
they certainly adapted very quickly, and it within five months funded a staff
and a full budget for the group.
Ms. Higgins: Which has
worked without interruption to this day, 1999.
Mr. Wenner: That's
correct. Until today. In 1977, the Freeholders changed the name of the group
to the Monmouth County Board of Drug Abuse Services, which it still is today.
In 1984, the Freeholders created the Citizen's Advisory Committee for
Alcoholism Services. So some seven years later, they began to include
alcoholism in the overall work of that group. Finally, the two groups were
merged in 1988 to create the Monmouth County Board of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
Services. Mr. Schultz was very instrumental in the pressure on the
Freeholders. He was the chairman, but he was also the most outspoken in
terms of the need. The others did not have the background in the
street, nor in the pharmacy, of seeing the results, firsthand along with the
police department. So, he had the best vantage point and took the lead.
They all supported him and it was funded in 1970.
Ms. Higgins: During all
this time, you continued to work as a pharmacist?
Mr. Schultz: Making a
living.
Ms. Higgins: That's quite
a heritage to leave now that you have gone to Arizona to do good
things. You have created poison control first of all, and then the
narcotics and drug awareness programs.
Mr. Schultz: And they
still continue today.
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Richard Wenner, 1971 |
Mr. Wenner: There is one thing that Mr.
Schultz left out. Back in the early days, which I got to know as the first
director of the Narcotics Council in 1971, and that is the early days of the
poison control, the pharmacist used puppets and cartoons to educate young
children very effectively. We incorporated that into the work of the
Narcotics Counsel and we had a great deal of success because right away we
were able to reach young children. It is one thing to turn the older kids and
stop them from using or get them into rehab. It is another thing to prevent
the core group that is coming up from starting, and this group did that very
effectively with the cartoons and puppets.
Ms. Higgins: I think I
may be sitting with the gentleman who helped me quit smoking. In the
1960s, my daughters were in the Highlands Public School, and they were shown
a lot of these kinds of things about damage from cigarette smoke. The girls
came home and begged and begged me to stop smoking. It was finally easier to
quit smoking than listen to the children anymore, and I thank you for it.
That was very effective.
Mr. Wenner: I can tell
you, I was there at the Highlands Public School. I can give you the names of
all the people. The mayor was a pharmacist by the way. This was Richard
A. Stryker, who had a pharmacy in Atlantic Highlands. But he was at the
school. He kicked off that program at the Highlands School because I was
there representing, and we got those articles, including nonsmoking, into the
school at that time, in that year. Jim White was Mayor of
Highlands. Richard A. Stryker was a MOPS, who had worked under Ben.
Even though he went forward with this group, he still had his Monmouth Ocean
Pharmaceutical Society Group, and Stryker was the regional man in Atlantic
Highlands, which is how he got us in the schools, and Jim Snynder was there
too, as well as Buddy Bahrs. These were the famous people who were
there to kick off the Highlands and Atlantic Highlands Initiative. They
were both local officials.
Ms. Higgins: Mr. Schultz,
tell us something about Highlands and clam digging.
Mr. Schultz: Well, I
never dug clams, but I used to go crabbing in the Pleasure Bay and get crabs.
Ms. Higgins: And you
could eat them then? For a long time you couldn't.
Mr. Schultz: Yes.
We used to get the crabs in Pleasure Bay and get a whole bag full, and then
we'd get a big pot to boil them in. We'd boil them until we'd see a red
color. I said, "Now we can eat the crabs." We had to boil
them. I wouldn't want to eat a raw crab or even a clam. Steamed ones
I'll eat, but I won't eat a clam the way the waters are.
Mr. Wenner: There have
only been four administrators over a twenty-eight-year period, and there is
no other organization in the county that has had that continuity of
administration. There was myself in 1971-77; Gregory C. Ulrich, who is
deceased, 1977-86; Charles D. Brown in 1986-88; and Barry Johnson from 1986
to the present. So, there is a great deal of stability in a board that had
had only four administrators in twenty-eight years.
Ms. Higgins: You
mentioned something of the educational work that the Board does. What if
you're confronted with some teenagers who have a drug problem or who have
been arrested for dealing? Is that also within the jurisdiction of the
Board?
Mr. Schultz: Now for
instance, the changing structure of a family life. We need two salaries in
order to support a family. This is both part of the Board too. I think it was
Ocean Township High School that got the first grant. School lets out at 3:00
pm and there's nobody home to supervise. So, we funded supervision at the
Ocean Township High School from 3:00 to 6:00 pm. The teachers would get paid
by the Board, which would give funds to the Board of Education budget. It had
nothing to do with the school budget. We funded them to supervise the
children. They had to be in the auditorium or someplace where they
could do their homework or something else, while being supervised by a
teacher, who was paid for the three hours by the Board.
Ms. Higgins: Good
prevention there.
Mr. Schultz: The idea was
prevention. We looked at the picture. You have a lot of churches here and
synagogues and God knows, whatever.
Ms. Higgins: Is there
anything further you would like to say about the poison control project?
Mr. Schultz: The State
Poison Control Project is now coordinated at St. Barnabus Hospital, and all
the hospitals know that if there is any overdose or any poison emergency to
call St. Barnabus. Senior Citizens now have a lot of drug related
problems due to drug interactions.
Ms. Higgins: So you have
moved from identifying poisons to identifying these interactions you see,
because a lot of people are on a lot of medications?
Mr. Schultz: Drug
intervention, yes. I took a survey of the lifestyle habits of senior
citizens, which was published in 1983 in the New Jersey Journal of
Pharmacy. How many smoked cigarettes, how many had a drink, or
drank, the listing of the so-called social drugs, and also the medications.
But, we formed another thing. We call it Project SPIRIT. I got a group
of retired and semi-retired pharmacists together. It's an acronym for Senior
Pharmacists in Retirement in Transition. Our target was senior
citizens, who take more medications than the rest of the population. Aging is
not a disease, but you can develop diabetes, heart trouble, asthma,
bronchitis, and many other things. We had the first brown bag program in the
United States. They used to bring their pills in a bag and come to the Senior
Citizen complexes where we had six or seven pharmacists, who asked the
people, "How do you take this and how do you take that? This is eighteen
years old. Do you take this anymore? No? Why don't you throw it away?
Drugs deteriorate." So, we had to educate the seniors. You can't
play around with drugs. It's just like in today's newspaper with the
front page: A woman took one of these nutrition things that's for sleeping or
something like that. It caused her death. And now they are going to
have an autopsy. But they pinpoint her because three or four people have the
same drug. This is the trouble with our laws. Congress passes laws, but
they're not complete. Little by little, we are adding on to the problems, and
we've got a society that likes to experiment.
Ms. Higgins: You think
people take too many pills?
Mr. Schultz: Some do,
yes.
Ms. Higgins: I worked in
a pharmacy. I was convinced that everyone in America was constipated.
Mr. Schultz: Senior
citizens, especially.
Ms. Higgins: Well it was
really quite an experience.
Mr. Schultz: That is
because of their style of life. They sit in a rocking chair all day
long, they don't walk. We don't expect them to run 100 yards and do aerobic
dancing, come on. You can't take the pace. But, you can do it within your
limitations.
Ms. Higgins: Would you
tell me something about the War years here in the county?
Mr. Schultz: It was a
question of my younger brother going into the Army or me. Of course, we had
to enroll in the draft and at that time, my younger brother wasn't married
yet, and I was married. I got married in 1937, and if they closed my drug
store, there would be no drug store in all the borough. There was no drug
store in Deal or Oakhurst, and there was no drug store in Elberon,
either. What are you going to do when you needed a prescription? Then
we had after hours. See now, we have a little sign in some of the drug stores
about after hours pharmacies. I started that too. We work with
the Police Departments. In case somebody needed an emergency prescription,
they would call the local police department, which would have their
numbers. They would come and open their store, but the cop would come
at the same time. Why? We had fellows with maybe a small gun but it looked
like a cannon when they used to shove it in your belly. That happened once or
twice. So not only do you call us, you want a cop there when the prescription
is filled and make sure everything is okay. That was part of the after hour
prescription plan, which was endorsed by the Monmouth County Board of Alcohol
and Drug abuse. It was teamwork by everyone.
Ms. Higgins: Did you get
down to the seashore much?
Mr. Schultz: I lived at
the seashore in Deal. We have a beach casino, one of the biggest along
the coast.
Ms. Higgins: It's not
gambling?
Mr. Schultz: No, we just
called it Deal Beach Casino. I think it's four blocks long, and then the
Phillips Avenue Beach, the big end, is free. The back you had to pay for. The
lockers, and all, and the pool. We had an oversized pool, bigger than an
Olympic pool, and this daughter of mine learned how to swim there.
Ms. Higgins: You were too
busy with the Pharmaceutical Society?
Mr. Schultz: No, I did go
too, but I found out years ago that I couldn't take the sun. I was so
sensitive. When I married, we went on our honeymoon to Miami. We took a dose
of Miami Beach. We went into the hotel and I signed up. We got on the beach
and I got a big umbrella. I was about a half an hour on the beach. I get back
into the hotel room, and I swelled up like a balloon. So, we called, and
asked for the Miami, Florida doctor who came and looked. He said,
"You've got sun poisoning." I said, "But I wasn't in direct
sun." He said, "You are very sensitive to the
sun." From then on, I was never a sun worshipper. They could get
tanned, and browned and green and yellow, but I couldn't.
Ms. Higgins: But what
about sun shield?
Mr. Schultz: They didn't
have those. I got to a point where I said, "What do I want to play
around for?"
Ms. Higgins: You know,
actually, you have a very youthful look to you. I wouldn't be surprised if
keeping out of the sun is a part of that.
Mr. Schultz: I see people
my age and don't push it.
Ms. Higgins: I see people
twenty years younger than you who look older.
Mr. Schultz: And they are
all wrinkled and everything else. It is all caused by the sun. You see people
who worked outdoors, and it's the elements.
Ms. Higgins: Tell me
about Project SPIRIT again. What is the acronym?
Mr. Schultz: SPIRIT:
Senior Pharmacists In Retirement In Transition. We used to go to Senior
Citizen clubs, nutrition centers and the high rise apartments, the HUD senior
housing, where they take disabled people because of the federal requirement;
90% were senior citizens. So, we took all that and we did our programs
all over the county: Belmar, Middletown, etc. They had six or
seven of those senior complexes. They brown bagged all the stuff. I
worked with Boy Scouts, too.
Ms. Higgins: What do you
mean, "Brown Bag?"
Mr. Schultz: They took
all the medications; they took over-the-counter, nonprescription and
prescription drugs, and brought them down to us, and then we would ask
them, "How did the doctor tell you to take this? Did they tell you
to take it before meals? After meals? What foods are you to avoid? Do
you know about the drug and food interaction?" We taught them
medication planning.
Ms. Higgins: So, you
could look at a person's bag of pills and make recommendations?
Mr. Schultz: And some of
them were very outdated. They had big bags.
Ms. Higgins: And you knew
right away what they were?
Mr. Schultz: Oh yes, and
if they were outdated, anything that was filled two years and you hadn't had
it refilled you'd throw it away, because that could be a problem.
Ms. Higgins: That
certainly is a consciousness raising program.
Mr. Schultz: And it is
still going on today in the United States and more and more pharmaceutical
groups are doing it. The Dean from the University of Arizona College of
Pharmacy said the figure of drug-related accidents amounts to $76 billion
dollars a year. That means a fall, breaking a leg, it all started with the
drug that was mistakenly taken. So we have to educate the public now.
This is a new role, not roll pills or capsules. That is the scene of pharmacy
today.
Ms. Higgins: Please tell
us about the File for Life. Is there anything like that in Monmouth
County?
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Benjamin Schultz with Middletown Police Explorers, 1988 |
Mr.
Schultz: The File of Life is like the Vial for Life that I did with the
American Red Cross. The fact sheet is the same. The principle is also the
same. The fact sheet contains emergency information about you for anyone who
has to enter your home. It contains information about your doctor, the
medications you take, the nearest relative, your medical condition, health
insurances, advance directives, health care, power of attorney, and living
wills.
Ms. Higgins: Who keeps
this file? Is it at the Police Department or at a hospital?
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Benjamin Schultz (seated middle) instructing seniors about medication |
Mr. Schultz: No, it
hasn't reached that yet. You have to ask for a new fact sheet in case
the status changes, because over time you may develop a new disease,
angina for instance. Well, the File of Life is good for
everybody, but we are directing it towards seniors now. Aging is not a
disease, but it invites disease. Over time, you get new diseases and new
medications and taking the old medications with it. Some of them take
seventeen, eighteen, twenty pills a day. They don't know how to manage their
medication, that is when you get your overdoses and so forth and so on.
It is a long process, and Steve Gross, who is the Dean of the Pharmacy in
Long Island University, explains it. 100,000 die from drug-related
causes, and we spend $76.6 billion dollars a year. What is our role
now? Drugs are starting to treat diseases you never could think
of. When I got married in 1937 and wanted to take out insurance, the
life span of an individual was only fifty-five years. Today, a baby born will
live to be in the middle seventies, and the women used to outlive us by eight
years, but in those days the women didn't smoke, or drink, or take some of
the other social drugs. But now they are going to be executives in our
economy. Chief executive officers of big companies are women, and so they
have to have the three martini lunch.
Ms. Higgins: That is
another thing about drugs. You can beware of drug reactions, but if you take
a beer, that could throw everything into an uproar.
Mr. Schultz: I'd hate to
give you the list of alcoholic beverages that react with medications. But
everybody says, "Well, one drink ain't going to hurt." You
take a sleeping pill and take a nap. I'd hate to tell you how many actors and
actresses forgot to wake up the next morning. You know as well as I
know, you have a big list. That is part of my play that I rewrote.
Ms. Higgins: Your play?
Mr. Schultz: It's In
The Cards, and they are doing it today, but I can't be in two places at
one time, or I would have been there watching them. It is a twenty minute
play. There is a pharmacist there who talks about the medication with
alcohol and with some of the other things.
Ms. Higgins: So, it is
educational as well as entertaining.
Mr. Schultz: Very much
so.
Ms. Higgins: Where is
your play being played today?
Mr. Schultz: In Howell
Township. I can give you a place.
Ms. Higgins: What
are some of your more significant memories of the County? Has it changed
much?
Mr. Schultz: In Ocean
Grove proper, I've never seen so much building done in the summer time, and
rebuilding. Every week. Not across the street here but every little block,
there are two or three. To me, Ocean Grove is a fire trap; just one big thing
and the whole city would come down, but at least they've got prevention. But
they are building up. We took a ride to see Asbury Park, which was the
key city when I first came down here during the Depression. Cookman
Avenue was a busy drive. There were no malls. There were no other things that
changed the shopping habits for people. They all came into Asbury Park to
shop at stores like Steinbachs. Today, they are all empty
buildings. We took a ride down to Steinbachs. If you shot a
cannon, nobody would even bother you. Where else did we go? Ocean
Avenue Boardwalk. It used to be a lot of what we have in Bradley Beach
and Belmar. The little shops, you know, but they were all gone. All the rides
are gone.
Ms. Higgins: We went down
there in the 1950s with the children and it was a lot of fun.
Mr. Schultz: Miniature
golf, they used to have the Susie van come down, you know play on the top of
the one side.
Ms. Higgins: Have you
taken a trip to Red Bank?
Mr. Schultz: Red Bank,
yes. I used to go to Red Bank all the time. The little businesses
add a personal touch. You went to a Red Bank Store, they new every customer
by his name.
Ms. Higgins: Probably
knew his prescriptions by heart, too?
Mr. Schultz: I knew, and
I would tell them, and I would counsel them at the same time. But I was maybe
a little different. We did a lot of compounding in those days. We had a drug
store in Allenhurst. Mayor Hague of Jersey City came down there.
Ms. Higgins: Mayor Hague?
Mr. Schultz: Sure, he had
a home on Deal Esplanade.
Ms. Higgins: Some of the
presidents used to come here too.
Mr. Schultz: Right after
the Civil War. Now, Long Branch was going down and Asbury Park was taking all
of the business.
Ms. Higgins: Do you see
Long Branch picking up?
Mr. Schultz: Very much so
and Hilton just started. They built a Promenade instead of the wooden boards
and it goes a mile and a half until it gets to the public beach. It's
lovely. They fixed it so it won't wash away, at least the Promenade
won't. The Army engineers are going fourteen miles out, dig up sand,
and put it on the beach here. I remember when Ocean Grove on Sundays had a
big chain that went right across the entrance road. You couldn't ride,
you had to walk. And all the cars would be out on Main Street, and in
all of Asbury Park. In Deal you have the Guggenheims, the
Salemans, the Lehmans. Heck, Monmouth College was sold for taxes. Annie,
the movie, was filmed at Monmouth College. There was also a girls school, a
finishing school there, and I went there, and I got all their business. When
I first walked in there, I hate to tell you, faucets were made out of gold,
not brass, gold fixtures. They had a swimming pool downstairs.
Ms. Higgins: A lot of
wealthy people would come here.
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Benjamin Schultz (left)
with his brother, Carl Schultz, in front of their drug store, 1936 |
Mr. Schultz: Very wealthy. When I first came in the 1930s and
I had my drug store -- well, it wasn't so little in those days, it was
big. Today, a drug store is a mini-mart; some even handle milk and
cheese and things. They played polo in Deal. Lehman from that
little square behind.. real horses, a real polo field. Later on, they
played it out in the west portion of the county.
Ms. Higgins: They play it in
Colts Neck now.
Mr. Schultz: But I am
talking about when I first came down in the 1930s. They all played
polo. Lehman Avenue and North Avenue was a big polo field, it was three
blocks square, and they played polo for fun.
Ms. Higgins: How would
they get down here?
Mr. Schultz: On Monmouth
Road, they had horse stables.
Ms. Higgins: That is
certainly a different flavor.
Mr. Schultz: And even on
Roosevelt Avenue, we had one horse stable that went all the way back to the
brook. Where the veterinary hospital is today, there used to be a horse
stable. and on West Down Heister, there was a horse stable, too.
The so-called class played polo and a lot of them moved out to the end of the
county, to Colts Neck and other places. I'll give you an example. The
Leads, who had Manhattan Shirt Company, bought a stretch during the
War. You're talking about the War years. They wanted to live in a
certain style. They bought Middlebrook. There were no Middlebrook apartments;
it was a farm. They incorporated the farm, they grew vegetables. They
had servants and everything else needed in a big house. The corporation
paid all the help.
Ms. Higgins: They
probably got farm assistance, too?
Mr. Schultz: Sure, being
a farm, you get the pre-tax. There are ways of circumventing, no matter who
was legislating.
Ms. Higgins: My first
interview was a farmer who was trying to tell me all about how some people
would use this to make more money.
Mr. Schultz: You take
Shore Dairy with a Pollack. He had show dogs. He was a dairy
farmer. Because of his connections, all the milk that he got was sold
to all the hospitals. Now, there is Monmouth Memorial Hospital
Board. There was another little hospital called East Hazlet Hospital.
But, all the milk and all the business and the puppies and, of course in
those days they delivered milk to your door. Today they don't do it.
Ms. Higgins: I can
remember when we lived in Middletown, they delivered milk and eggs, and the
Dugan Coffee Cakes would come.
Mr. Schultz: That's right
to the door. I used to get a fellow from Lakewood. He would make his route to
all the good people in Deal. We had a chicken farm. They brought fresh
eggs from the farm. You'd get two dozen this week, a dozen this week,
according to how you ate the eggs. Don't want to eat too many eggs with
the yolk in it with the cholesterol. That was before Welsh Farms. Then
we stopped. Borden, Sheffield, used to deliver milk too. They don't
deliver anymore, but Welsh Farms still does it.
Ms. Higgins: Mr. Schultz,
as we approach the end of the century, what would you like to say about
Monmouth County History?
Mr. Schultz: People are
getting older. Our population is growing older. It used to be only 9 percent
or 10 percent. The fact is that the population is growing older; I
think Federal legislation has to help older people. An active man
should be allowed to work without anyone penalizing him if he took his Social
Security at age sixty. You have to permit them to work until age
seventy. You may have to increase the retirement age to seventy or
sixty-five. It is happening now, federal legislation, but step by step.
You can't do it all at once or you disrupt the entire country. Grow old
gracefully, and maintain a quality life. Sure, I got high blood pressure, I
had it for forty years. I didn't get it over-night, but I still walk.
Walk all the time. My daughter takes me down to Belmar to the Arcade to
play kids games that used to be in the Asbury Park Boardwalk. They
pulled out the carousel. The family structure is changing too. I see if
you want to buy your own home, and that's the idea, it can't be done by a
one-income family. They both work. Now you have to find out how you
establish day care. It is already here. They both work. They both come
home and pick up the kids. The husband no longer sits at home and says,
"You've got to do the dishes." It is a two way street. Give
and take in life, and that is how it should be.
Ms. Higgins: Is there
anything else you'd like to say? I have enjoyed talking with you so
very much!
Mr. Schultz: There are so
many things in this head of mine. What do I say? Charles Brown was the first
director of the Monmouth County Board of Alcohol and Drug Abuse, but then the
county health board needed a new administrator; because he could handle
money, he is now director of the Monmouth County Mental Health Board.
Ms. Higgins: How about
some final comments on the cooperation between county and state government
and private organizations? You were apparently a pioneer in that. Did you
find Monmouth County pretty progressive along those lines?
Mr. Schultz: The federal
government realized we were condemning cigarettes way far back. So now,
they still can't put the cigarette industry out of business. All they said to
the federal government was, "Cut us down in the United States, but give
us a free hand globally. The Muslims must smoke a lot of tobacco.
Europeans all smoke cigarettes. Let us have that market." They all
like American cigarettes, the combination of Turkish and domestic, and the
same thing goes with cigars. They exempted cigars. Cigars are just as
habit forming and just as dangerous as cigarettes; the coal tar goes into
your lungs and causes cancer. It's a new ballgame, and they will have to
experiment like we did. I lived through maybe eight decades. I saw a
whole century of change from the radio in the early days to the TV set.
We thought TV movies would go out of business, but they are still making
money. They adapt movies for TV. And the same thing goes with
computers. Mr. Microsoft, smart Gates has got the control because he has
control of all the software, not the computer itself. They had the
antitrust act in existence since the railroad days. They had to put
some minor changes to it so no one individual has control, so there is
competition. With competition you have no problem.
Ms. Higgins: Well, I am
hearing a message from you that we should encourage competition, which this
country seems to do.
Mr. Schultz: And they
tried. Don't kill the small guy.
Ms. Higgins: Your
comments about encouraging people to work longer are thought-provoking, also.
Mr. Schultz: Have a
retirement age, and at least don't penalize them because they are growing
older.
Ms. Higgins: I am so glad
to have to talked with you. I really am. Thank you very much for contributing
to our archive.
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