Date of Interview: September 12, 2000
Name of Interviewer: Ellen Williams
Premises of Interview: Ms. Hall's home, Howell, NJ
Birthdate of Subject: N/A
Ms. Williams: Great to be here, Kay.
Ms. Hall: Thank you. I'm very glad to
be here.
Ms. Williams: Thank you so much for
agreeing to be interviewed. You have the wealth of knowledge about Howell
and certainly have a lot of recollections in your life as a librarian
and teacher and historian. Where do we begin? What's the story you want
to focus on?
Ms. Hall: Oh, I don't know. For twenty-five
years I was the Librarian for Ardena School. That was my whole focus.
In the middle of all that came the Bicentennial, so consequently I had
to learn to spin, weave, and do all sorts of things that went with the
Bicentennial. So I've done a lot of things.
Ms. Williams: I understand you have
also written a couple of books about Howell, the museum, and about the
life here in Howell in the past. That took a lot of time; can you tell
us about that?
Ms. Hall: Well, a number of years ago,
some of the schools started teaching all about their townships in third
grade. They decided that they wanted to do it for Howell, and I got this
phone call, "Will you represent the historic part so that we have
it correct?" I said yes and did not know what I was getting into.
But four of us, on off hours, and in the summer, wrote this schoolbook;
and this is the only school book that the third graders have. What's so
unique is that it focuses on Howell, but at the end of the year the students
take it home for keeps so that their family also can learn all about Howell
Township.
Ms. Williams: Do you go into the schools
and introduce yourself as one of the authors?
Ms. Hall: No. But I do have all the
third graders that come over to the museum because I'm a docent at the
McKenzie Museum, and we have bus loads of children coming in. Sometimes
the teacher says, "Do you know Mrs. Hall wrote your school book investigating
Howell?" And sometimes I'll just say something like, "I know
you know this because I wrote it in your schoolbook." And they all
kind of look at me funny, and I say, "Oh, yes, the word barter is
in your book, and you should know what that means."
Ms. Williams: How many years has this
been used in the third grade?
Ms. Hall: Oh, my, I really don't know.
I would say over ten. But it's revised. In other words it's brought up
to date, because the way you elect the mayor is different, the bus service
is different, and the radio stations are different. All that changes,
so it does have to be brought up to date.
Ms. Williams: Tell us about McKenzie
Museum.
Ms. Hall: I thought I was going to turn
out to be a history teacher, because I loved American history, and I thought
to be a fifth grade teacher would be wonderful. I'm one of these late
blooming people. I made the decision after I had raised four children.
Before that I was a business major in Rider College, but I decided I wanted
to be a teacher so I had to start out from scratch because nothing transferred.
I was so busy doing that, and all of a sudden they had me go in the Library,
and I thought, "I don't want to be a teacher, I want to be a Librarian."
So I did. But it took me thirteen years to get my Bachelor's.
Ms. Williams: That took a lot of dedication
on your part.
Ms. Hall: So this museum business is
something that came up. You know, a docent is an unpaid volunteer. You
work just as hard as somebody who is making a salary, maybe a little harder.
For instance, this spring we had five hundred third graders come through
our museum, and all Howell Township organizations and students are free.
So we really work closely with Howell Township. And the schoolhouse was
built in 1855; it's a lovely example of an old-fashioned one-room schoolhouse.
Children can come; they can bring their class for the whole day there.
I have some of them dress and pretend that that's how they're getting
their schooling. Part of The McKenzie Museum is two hundred years old,
which is very rare. The other part is one hundred and fifty. We've even
done research on the color of the parlor, and that's the colors they are
painted now. They are just the color that the woman one hundred fifty
years agosaid, "This is what I want my rooms painted." We just
had an oil painting and a sampler given to us; so very exciting things
are happening.
Ms. Williams: What would you say are
some of the most distinguishing features about Howell?
Ms. Hall: I want them to respect old
buildings, and the history of their Township. And I also want them to
respect older people. It ties right in. The museums are in their schoolbook,
so they know what they are going to see. McKenzie Museum was a grist miller's
home, and there was a very large gristmill right in our parking lot. The
Manasquan River runs right there, and we're about right up to Allaire
State Park. These children know quite a bit when they come. And with me
knowing everything that they should know, we have very interesting talks
when they come.
Ms. Williams: You're actually bringing
history alive through this.
Ms. Hall: Yes. We have a lot of fun
doing that.
Ms. Williams: Is your family from Howell?
How long have you lived in this community?
Ms. Hall: All of my life, except for two
years. I was born in Kentucky, and my folks moved to New Jersey. My
husband was born here in Howell Township. We actually sleep in the
bedroom he was born in. I feel like a native.
Ms. Williams: Having all this
history here, you want to share that with people.
Ms. Hall: I love it here.
Ms. Williams: Did you enjoy working with the schools
as a Librarian?
Ms. Hall: When I first started I had time
to bring in classes for poetry. I had mentors come and do a painting,
or I had a sculptor come and show his work, or a classical guitarist come
in for the day and invite the whole school down to hear him. I did a lot
of crazy things in the library. I would dress in costumes and come in
as an Indian one-day and, of course sometimes during the Bicentennial
I mentioned, I would dress in Colonial clothes then. Now I dress in 1855
clothes because that's what the building is.
Ms. Williams: Do you act as if
you're living in that era?
Ms. Hall: No, I do not interpret; I
don't actually become the person. It just doesn't seem like it's conducive
there for that. But I do say, "Good day," when you come; I do
not say "Hello."
Ms. Williams: What about this book The Jive Talk, which was a dictionary?
Ms. Hall: Oh, I did that while I was
doing my masters. I did it over at Trenton State. I've been to thirteen
colleges, can you imagine? I picked up credits all over the place. I have
to stop and think at which college I did what.
Ms. Williams: In New Jersey, or
all over the country?
Ms. Hall: All over New Jersey.
A course here, a course there. You name the college, I went to it. I've
been to them all, and enjoyed them all. Up to a lot of computer courses
I took at Georgian Court. I began, I might as well tell you, right in
Monmouth Junior College, which was in Long Branch High School at the
time, so that really dates me.
Ms. Williams: You said earlier
that you planned to become a teacher, but you decided to become a
librarian; when did you want to become a teacher? Was that a lifelong
interest, or was it later in life?
Ms. Hall: I guess when I had four
kids. They were two, four, six and eight. In the United States we did a
lot of traveling - except I've never been to Hawaii. Other than that, we
have a son living in Alaska right now; we've been to Alaska a number
of times, but never Hawaii.
Ms. Williams: How would you say
New Jersey rates with the other states? How do you feel about living
here?
Ms. Hall: Oh, I'm all for New
Jersey. And all for Howell Township.
Ms. Williams: Well, I know that
from your work. How about all this storytelling?
Ms. Hall: Well, that started about,
I would say, seventeen years ago. I always read
stories to children, but I found out that I like to look at their eyes,
I like to have interaction with them, and I heard about a storytelling
group in Trenton called the Garden State Storytellers. It was kind of
far, and when you went there, you had to go at night. But I went. And
I went for many, many, many years. They had these meetings where they
teach you how to be a storyteller and then you hear all these other
stories. And then you go out. I mean, most of it's free; sometimes you
get paid, which is nice. I storytell now at Monmouth County Fair, and
Longstreet Farm. And I tell at nursing homes. I have a lot of fun with
it. Some of it is historic, some of it is teenage storytelling, and some
of it is for adults. But, of course, I was a children's librarian in a K
through eight school, so most of my stories I love telling to children.
Ms. Williams: Do you have certain
themes for your stories, certain subject matters that you tend to focus
on?
Ms. Hall: For teenagers I more or less go
towards important people, things I know that they'd be interested in.
I have an anti-drug story that I tell. And for children, I guess it's
animals. You know a storyteller picks out what she likes. And what you
like might not be something anybody else likes, and you have to love the
story to get into it. So now I belong to Jersey Shore Storytellers which
meets in Red Bank, which isn't very far. And we have people from all around
Monmouth County over there.
Ms. Williams: I imagine there's
quite a variety of storytelling.
Ms. Hall: Yes, some of them are
very, very good. Not professional, but almost professional. I think of
myself as an amateur. I do it because I love to do it.
Ms. Williams: Do you improvise the
stories, or do you pretty much know what -
Ms. Hall: Well, I have made some stories.
Ms. Williams: You obviously have
the joy of teaching in the blood there. Is there anything about Monmouth County that you would like
to highlight? What are you most proud of, or concerned about, or what
comes to mind?
Ms. Hall: The librarians. I've worked with
many different librarians, and researched in a lot of libraries. Librarianship
is another way of looking at things involving people who are used to delving
into things. I'm also a genealogist. We didn't even mention that. But,
history just is unbelievable. My husband's folks go all the way back to
the Dutch at New Amsterdam. And he has one relative who went across the
river with George Washington. Genealogy makes history come to life. So
the history of Monmouth County is unbelievable. And we do a lot of research.
We actually go places; we just came back from Greenwich, New Jersey, where
we were doing research on Governor Richard Howell. The reason we're researching
him is that Howell Township is going to be celebrating its two hundredth
anniversary, and it was named for Governor Richard Howell, who was a good
friend of George Washington. His twin brother died right there at Battle
of Monmouth, and Howell Township honored Richard Howell when he retired
in 1801.
Ms. Williams: What was he like?
What was his personality?
Ms. Hall: Well, I tell you, I think there
he learned a few things about the Revolution. And he was one of the few
men, I should say, in Greenwich, who went into somebody's cellar, and
stole the tea that had been stored there because people weren't using
it; they were boycotting the tea. So they put it in the middle of town
and burned it. So we went to Greenwich to do the research there.
Ms. Williams: You actually went to
where he was.
Ms. Hall: Yes, they have a good
library there. I'm always thinking of libraries. Perhaps you didn't know
that they dumped tea in Sandy Hook, also. So, we do that kind
of research.
Ms. Williams: How do you think
that libraries have changed over the years in terms of what they offer
and how they're viewed by the public?
Ms. Hall: Well, the modern ways of
copying work. In other words, you can find out what you need and then
make a copy and take it home and really do your research there. That's
wonderful. And the Internet, oh, we live with a computer. It's wonderful
family-wise because you can talk all over. We have ten grandchildren, and they
are all over the United States, and we can talk to them all the time on
the Internet. And then the historical and genealogical information you can get from the
Internet is amazing. It just takes a little time.
Ms. Williams: How about your
family background? Where were your relatives
from?
Ms. Hall: Well, they were in Kentucky, but
you see all the people that were way over there, they had to come through
New York, or Virginia, or Maryland, or Delaware. All these people, when
you go back, have roots that go all the way back. The Reverend Gano was
the minister at Valley Forge with George Washington, and he was one of
the relatives. Another one was a minister who studied at Princeton, and
they told me his Bible is still at Princeton. I don't know, all these
little things come up when you do genealogy. I really recommend it for
everybody, and I'm trying to interest all my grandchildren, because history
does come alive.
Ms. Williams: And do you find that
your grandchildren like to hear the stories?
Ms. Hall: Oh, yes.
Ms. Williams: Kay, tell us a
little more about the genealogy research.
Ms. Hall: Well, I just learned so much
about history. You learn which ancestors were killed by Indians. I recently
read that one of my ancestors stopped a rebellion.
Ms. Williams: So that's where you
get all your spirit.
Ms. Hall: Oh, yes, she was
something. Her husband was off to the Revolutionary War so she had to
stop the rebellion. Another one fought in the War of 1812. When
you start doing genealogy, and you know about your ancestors, it's amazing.
History
just comes to life. You think, "Oh, my, that's what actually
happened."
Ms. Williams: And you're teaching
your grandchildren about their past?
Ms. Hall: Yes. One of the grandsons
is going to be a history teacher. We really get into this.
Ms. Williams: Have they been
keeping scrapbooks, too, of your family history?
Ms. Hall: Well, the one from Alaska
called up and said, "Grandmother, school wants me to write
something about some of my ancestors." And I said, "Well, I
sent you that for Christmas last year." They went away from the
phone for a moment and said, "That's exactly what I need!"
They didn't even realize they had it in the house.
Ms. Williams: It's wonderful to
have a librarian, an historian, for a grandmother. And your performances
that you do with your husband, could you explain a little about that?
Ms. Hall: Okay. We work as a team, my husband,
Charles and I. He does a lot of the photography, more than I do. Then
we write a script and we have our shows on slides. We have never gone
to the video though; it's always been slides. It's easier to cut, easier
to make the show up. We've been to Ellis Island and Statue of Liberty;
that's one show. Another one was when we got all dressed in our 1850 costumes
and pretended that we left our museum, and that we went by boat up to
Boston and visited Sturbridge, Massachusetts. So we have a whole hour
at Sturbridge without any modern people in it. And we pretended all the
people were our relatives, and would say, "Hello, Aunt Sue, how are
you?" And we went through, "What are you doing today?"
"Well, I'm grading corn husks." So that's another hour show.
The cutest one was mailboxes. In Florida, there is a road; I don't know
how long it is. But they have a lot of varied mailboxes, tractors and
alligators, and everything. The whole show is nothing but mailboxes. I
want to do one in Howell. We'd like to go around Howell Township and find
the different mailboxes.
Ms. Williams: So you take pictures
of the different mailboxes and do you talk about it?
Ms. Hall: Yes. You make it
interesting. Some of these slide shows have music with them. This is
part of being a media specialist. When you get your degree in New
Jersey, you aren't considered a librarian; you're considered a media
specialist. So I did a lot of this training, especially at Trenton State, and then
when I got my masters at Glassboro.
Ms. Williams: So what kind of
groups are looking at the slides?
Ms. Hall: We're doing cemeteries of
Howell. We're doing that for the Farmingdale Historical Society this
month. Up in Croyden Hall, which is in Middletown, we are doing it for
the Middletown Historical Society; we're doing the one on Ellis Island
and Statue of Liberty. We have a speaker come to our museum. We have
monthly meetings, the Historical Society, and we trade. They can come in
and give us a talk, and we come up and we have these talks we can give
to them.
Ms. Williams: You're such a
wonderful resource for the County. It's so rich all the teaching you are
doing.
Ms. Hall: I have a cute story about
that. We got an e-mail, from who I don't know exactly know, but they're
in charge of the water in Monmouth County. This e-mail was a question.
They were very concerned about Larrabee Crossing. Was there a bridge at
Larrabee Crossing? They couldn't find it in any map, and they looked all
over Monmouth County. We got a big kick out of it because Larrabee Crossing
was a railroad crossing, it wasn't a river crossing. But I have been useful
as a resource sometimes. My husband and I know a lot, mostly about Howell.
We do a little bit of Monmouth County, but mostly Howell.
Ms. Williams: What would you say
would be one of the most significant things that have happened in your
lifetime, in terms of historical, either national history, or
international?
Ms. Hall: When I was a little girl I
remember the Hindenberg blowing up. We lived in Freehold on South Street,
and we heard this big explosion. In those days people had great
big furnaces in the cellar, and the noise in Freehold which came all the way from
Lakehurst, sounded like the furnace had blown up in our cellar. I can
remember dashing to the cellar. That night, I can remember I was
supposed to be in bed asleep, but I would go over to the window that looked over
the road that used to come right into Freehold, and I can remember kneeling
by the window and seeing ambulance after ambulance after ambulance, because this was the main road to go New York. The rich people were
hurt, and hospitals got filled up around here, and they were
transporting the victims up to New York. All night long were these ambulances
going by.
Ms. Williams: It must have been
quite a moving experience.
Ms. Hall: When our Historical Society
brought somebody in who was an expert about the Hindenberg, it was because
of my interest. My father always took me to everything. Remember the Morro
Castle burning off Asbury Park? I got to see that. And if a whale got
beached, we went to see the whale. As a matter of fact, I saw the Hindenberg
the last time it left the United States. We must have gotten up at least
three, maybe four o'clock in the morning, and we drove to Lakehurst to
see it leave. And the next time it came back, it blew up. So I was really
interested in history way, way back.
Ms. Williams: What do you think
about the times we're living in now, in terms of Howell today compared
to Howell when you were growing up? What are the plusses and maybe some
of the drawbacks?
Ms. Hall: Well, I think just as
exciting things are happening now. The only thing is that they are happening so
fast that I think that a lot of kids are missing them. They don't realize
what's going on. Maybe we didn't either, but I wonder will these
children remember the Bicentennial, which is so big for the United States? Two hundred
years! History is moving so fast. And it's funny, but I'm more interested in olden times, so maybe the
younger generation is just as
interested in Korea or Vietnam, or something closer to them.
Ms. Williams: When this interview
is indexed, they need to come up with some key words.
Ms. Hall: Well, I'm glad I don't
have to index this!
Ms. Williams: You have such diversity
in your life. What would be some of the key words be: Howell, genealogy,
library history? What are some of the key words that you would want your
story to be indexed as?
Ms. Hall: I'm still a librarian. I mean, once you have an education, and you're a
librarian, or teacher, you're still that, no matter what. Your
education, even if you retire, which I did about eight years ago, you're
still that person. I have a church library in Freehold at the First Baptist
Church. We have a nice little library. Then of course I run the library
here at the McKenzie Museum, which is a very good research library. And
then whenever we go to Florida I help out with the public library down
there. So I'm still a librarian.
Ms. Williams: So you live part of
the year in Florida?
Ms. Hall: Not long, but we do live
part of the year, yes.
Ms. Williams: And you're involved
in that library?
Ms. Hall: Oh, yes. I
didn't start the genealogy until I retired. But when I got married I put a box under
the bed and I said, "Anything anybody knows about genealogy I'm
putting it in this box." And I kept this up about my husband's
family and my family, and I knew when I retired I was really going to
work on it. The other thing I wanted to do was watercolor and oil paint.
And I've done both. I enjoy the painting a lot and I do it as much as I
can.
Ms. Williams: Do you exhibit it?
Ms. Hall: Yes.
Ms. Williams: Where have you put
your work?
Ms. Hall: At the Monmouth County Fair,
and I've had it in other various places around. Right now I'm in this
Manalapan Adult Center, and I will be in the Howell Library this year.
They have an exhibit every year and I put my works in that. I'm getting
there, but it takes a while to get to be pretty good.
Ms. Williams: If you could write a
book about your life and illustrate it, what would be some of the
highlights that you would want to include, or would there be one
particular one you might - would you fictionalize it, or would it be a
straight autobiography?
Ms. Hall: Oh, my word. I guess
really, I'd specialize in history. When I first started teaching they
brought in historical displays, and I was amazed that they came in and
asked me to spend a week - (loud clock) there goes the clock!
Ms. Williams: How old is that
clock?
Ms. Hall: That dates to about 1870.
Ms. Williams: It's great. That's
perfect.
Ms. Hall: I think I love to watch my
husband wind it. I think that's very historic.
Ms. Williams: Absolutely. That was
perfect timing. So you would do a more historical book?
Ms. Hall: Yes, and bring in a lot of
the history that I have of the Township and of our families.
Ms. Williams: So actually you are
a walking history book of Howell and people really just get so much from
your stories, more than any book, because you have so much to bring it to life.
Ms. Hall: Well, each year we have a
lovely exhibit at Monmouth County Library - Archives Day. And each year
I try to do an in depth study of something different. This year we're
doing Governor Richard Howell because of Howell's two-hundreth anniversary.
Last year we did the Liberty Stage Coach. Did you hear anything about
the Liberty Stage Coach? This is interesting. This is a stage coach that
ran from New York to Lakewood, and it ran right past our house, right
in front of our house, went right through Freehold. There's a painter
who painted a series of paintings on it. When we heard about the stagecoach,
we heard it was up in Shelburne Museum, so we got in our car and drove
to Shelburne Museum, and there's that stagecoach. So this was the whole
feature of our table at the Archives. So people who want to know about
a lot of history of Monmouth County can go to Archives Day, because all
the Historical Societies have tables that I like to study. Each year I
study something different. So that stagecoach is really a whole story
on its own.
Ms. Williams: That will be one of
your stories as a historian.
Ms. Hall: Oh, yes. I do some making
up stories, but most of them I read.
Ms. Williams: If you could take
something from Howell and put it in a time capsule and save it for someone
to find later, what would you want them to have to represent Howell?
Ms. Hall: I would certainly put in
the book, Investigating Howell. It's a year's work, with the four of us,
and we really tried to get the essence of Howell, its history, but not
just history. We also looked into the now, the government, and the shopping
malls, and the fire department. In other words, it's what third graders
should know about their own Township. So I think that would be a good
thing to put in there. And maybe my little sketchbook. My sketchbook is
about the two museums. This is the latest thing I did, and it's all
drawings of the two museums; if you went to visit there you'd see all
these things there. So maybe those two represent Howell.
Ms. Williams: They represent a lot
of work on your part, too.
Ms. Hall: Yes.
Ms. Williams: Is there anything
that encapsulates your life that you could put into a few words? What would represent your
spirit?
Ms. Hall: Well, passing things on to
students, passing things on to your family; I think this is very
important. I feel that I've passed on a lot of my values and my love to kids.
Ms. Williams: And that kind of
runs through all you've been doing in your life in terms of genealogy,
and library work, and the story telling.
Ms. Hall: But also, perseverance.
Some of these kids when they go to college don't realize they're lucky
to have four years of college and then have a career. I had
to study for thirteen years for my bachelor's degree. I'm not too sure how long it
took to get my masters, I think it was about six on top of that. And
then I went on to graduate work, a lot of that in computers. The
importance of education is what I'm getting at. I took the
courses in the summer instead of having a job because furthering myself by going to school is how you further yourself.
Ms. Williams: You're really a
lifelong learner. You're always looking to learn something new.
Ms. Hall: Oh, yes. We just took a
college course this year.
Ms. Williams: What was that for?
Ms. Hall: Computer genealogy.
Ms. Williams: That's exciting
because as you see a need to learn something, you just delve into it.
Ms. Hall: Oh, yes. Anything I have an interest
in I try to get a course in it. We must appreciate education, appreciate
history. We must respect those things. Not too far from here, they had
pine robbers, and this lady during the Revolution was being robbed by
this pine robber. Soldiers came, and the pine robber got scared off and
jumped out the back door--but they had dug the cellar, and the pine robber
fell into the cellar. All these tales that you read about to bring them
to life are unbelievable. If only these houses could talk. In 1817, the
house you're in right now had just the two rooms, and they added on. So
there's history here. All of Monmouth County is just chock full of history.
You have a funny feeling when you go out West, because their history starts
so much later then ours, because white people weren't even out there then.
Ms. Williams: We are in a very
historical County.
Ms. Hall: Very.
Ms. Williams: I think a lot of
people like yourself are working to keep it preserved to pass it on.
Ms. Hall: And having fun doing it.
Ms. Williams: Is there anything
else that you would like to highlight in your story, which is so rich,
and so exciting - in terms of your family, your work experiences, that
you might want to make sure we include in this?
Ms. Hall: Well, let's see. Oh, one
of the interesting experiences I had was teaching the blind and
handicapped in Trenton. They have a school where the students live there. They hired me to come over and story tell. It was very
interesting because they couldn't see, and you can't make eye contact, so you have to present the stories in a different way. I enjoyed doing
that. It was very different.
Ms. Williams: You have a very
expressive voice. I can imagine it was very easy to listen to. It brings
the story to life.
Ms. Hall: This is only because in
Ardena School when they opened two classrooms, they took the wall out, so
when I talked, I had to talk across two classrooms. So I got a really good
strong voice. But it ruined my singing voice. I have a great talking
voice. I worked with the
fifth grade in Ardena School, and we received a Governor's Award. East United States
Coast Honor, which includes Puerto Rico even, and it's the Presidential
Environmental Youth Award, and they came from Washington, D.C. to
present it to the school. We went out and did environmental studies for
children, pretending that they were a farmer, pretending that they were
a fisherman, and the different occupations, and I did all of the
videotaping for it. It was a really good show. That was very nice.
Ms. Williams: Do you still have a
copy of that?
Ms. Hall: Some place.
Ms. Williams: I'd love to see it.
Ms. Hall: I don't know, maybe the school
has the only copy. I don't remember if they copied it or not. We did Ardena's
birthday party, which was when Ardena was fifty years old, and we even
had a reunion, believe it or not, of eighth graders. They came from all
over; a teacher in Princeton, and one alumni who worked with heartworm
medicine. When you teach these people, you don't realize what they're
going to go out and do later on. So that was interesting, too. I
also got a grant from New Jersey to do a program on the Battle of Monmouth.
This is years ago, when people didn't do a lot of this, with slides and
so forth. And they let me go into Monmouth County Historical Society and
take pictures. We even put cloths on the bottom of our ladder so we could
go up the ladder and take direct pictures of some of their paintings that
they have. Somebody said, "Oh, may we take pictures too?" And
they were told, "Sorry, there's no photography allowed in the museum."
And she said, "Well, they're doing it." The museum person said,
"But they're professionals." We did do a show many years ago
on the Battle of Monmouth, which was part of the grant. A newspaper reporter
who is now one of the head editors at the Asbury Park Press was very much
interested in saving the North American Phalanx. That's a community where
very important people lived in a community right here in Monmouth County
in the nineteenth century. People might not know that. They were the first
to sell a boxed cereal. It had NAP, for North American Phalanx, on it.
They boxed their cereal and took it up to New York to sell. This reporter
was trying to save a surviving building. He did a series of articles in
the Asbury Park Press. Well, I was very much interested in it, but the
building burned. It just blew my mind to think that this historical site
had burned down. I mean people were going in there, and they might have
caught fire accidentally. But I went in with my camera and we took slides
after the fire: we also had slides from before the fire so it was called
the Rape of the Phalanx. I really feel like it was ripped from our history.
Once I couldn't find my copy of our publication so I went into Brookdale
College and tried to borrow the copy that they had made when I was going
to Brookdale, and they said, "Oh, you can't take that out because
that's restricted material; it can't ever be taken out of the college."
So I thought, "Oh, my." This was our slide presentation on the
North American Phalanx. I've done a lot of videotaping and slides.
Ms. Williams: They saw the
importance of it, didn't they?
Ms. Hall: We've had a lot of fun
doing research and presenting history. We enjoy doing it.
Ms. Williams: Yes, you can tell
you enjoy what you do. That comes across in everything. That's another
part of your spirit - the joy of giving this history to all of us.
Ms. Hall: I think it's important.
Ms. Williams: Absolutely. Thank
you so much, Kay for sharing your time with us. All the future readers
and listeners of your story will be able to really benefit from this.
Thank you for your time.
Ms. Hall: Oh, you're very welcome.